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Podcast: When Silicon Valley Engineers Become Healers: A Doctor Is A Human First

A Conversation on Medicine's Future

A Conversation on Medicine's Future

Oct 20, 2025

Oct 20, 2025

Puzzle Exchange: 2 Doctors Eating Ramen and Talk About Medicine


The most profound connections often happen when you least expect them. Sitting with Kathleen Scheible, a former semiconductor engineer turned homeopath, I recognize a kindred spirit in transformation. Our paths couldn't be more different, yet here we are, two practitioners who left conventional careers to pursue ancient healing arts in the heart of Silicon Valley.

"I came here during the dot com boom in the nineties," Kathleen shares, her voice carrying both nostalgia and purpose. "I worked with some of the smartest people I've ever known at Applied Materials, building tools that make computer chips." The parallel to today's AI revolution resonates deeply. Yet here she sits, having traded silicon wafers for homeopathic remedies, engineering precision for the subtle art of constitutional healing.



The Moment Everything Changes

Kathleen's transformation began with her children's health crises. Her son's recurring ear infections, followed by eczema and asthma, led her down a path of steroids and inhalers that seemed to make things worse. Then came the turning point: an osteopath's cranial sacral manipulation, followed by a single homeopathic remedy that changed everything within a month.

"I was amazed," she recalls. "We didn't need the cream anymore. We didn't need the inhaler." But it was her stepson's recovery from viral meningitis complications, six months of debilitating migraines resolved with homeopathic treatment, that sealed her decision. "I had to learn more about what this is."

I nod knowingly. My own journey took me to Beijing for six years of intensive training, five years for my bachelor's degree and another year for my PhD. In China, Western medicine and Chinese medicine are given equal weight in medical education. We studied both, understanding that true healing requires multiple perspectives. After 17 years of practice, I still feel like I'm learning, still discovering new depths to this ancient medicine.


Beyond Symptoms: The Architecture of Healing

What strikes me most about our conversation is how we both view illness through entirely different lenses than Western medicine. In my practice, emotions map onto organ systems with poetic precision: happiness relates to heart energy, sadness to the lungs, each emotion finding its home in the body's landscape. I read tongues and pulses like ancient texts, finding stories written in coating and rhythm.

Kathleen describes homeopathy's paradoxical principle: the more diluted a substance, the stronger its effect when properly matched to the person. "We're looking at all the ways a person's body tends to go out of balance over their lifetime," she explains. "Finding one remedy to match that imbalance state, to nudge the body back into balance."

We both laugh when I mention that I still don't fully understand everything after all these years. "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know," Kathleen agrees. It's humbling and exciting at the same time.


The Silicon Valley Paradox

There's something deeply San Francisco about this convergence of high tech backgrounds and ancient healing arts. Kathleen's engineering mind still surfaces when she discusses nanoparticles and electromagnetic forces in ultra high dilutions. Yet she's comfortable with mystery: "We don't yet understand the mechanism of action. It's just the observation that these remedies work according to these principles."

I share how Chinese medicine connects to astronomy, how ancient practitioners looked at the stars to understand seasons and their effects on our bodies. "Now with fall, we need to take care of our lung energy," I explain. "Eating pears, white wood ear mushrooms, anything white nourishes the lungs. In winter, we eat black foods like black dates to warm our kidney energy."

This comfort with paradox feels essential now. We're in this crucible of a time. Anything is possible on either side.


Trauma as Teacher

Both of us have gravitated toward treating trauma, particularly in the post pandemic world. Kathleen works with intergenerational trauma patterns, watching how grief lodges in lungs, how ancient fears about survival manifest in modern anxiety about money, even among successful startup founders.

"People are in different phases of being ready," Kathleen observes about trauma work. "Homeopathy can help get unstuck when the story keeps being the same."

In my practice, I see how internal medicine issues like insomnia connect directly to our emotions. Our body, mind, and emotions are all connected. Different emotions relate to different organ systems, and by understanding these patterns, we can address the root causes, not just symptoms.

Kathleen shares her work with first responders through the Integrative Healers Action Network, and I'm reminded of my own team at the hospital where I work three days a week. We're an integrated care team: OB/GYN doctors, nutritionists, physical therapists, a psychiatrist, and me. We gather in the mornings, sometimes chatting for an hour and a half before rounds, sharing not just medical information but understanding each patient's full story. Our customer service team even briefs us on incoming patients' emotional states and family dynamics.


The Breaking and Remaking

"Our Western system is breaking down right now," I say plainly. After five years since COVID, the cracks have become chasms. Children born during those years are particularly sensitive, having missed crucial years of exposure and social development. Yet within this breakdown, we see opportunity.

"With great challenges come great opportunity to build something new," Kathleen reflects. "I really do think something got so broken that we're in the rebuild now, and it's up to us to build up a new way."

We both envision integrative clinics where practitioners communicate across modalities, where healing happens in community rather than isolation. I share how in Chinese medicine, we believe there's a force that connects patient and practitioner. "People come to you for a reason," I tell her. "There's something helping in that connection."


The Future of Medicine Lives in Connection

What emerges from our conversation isn't just a critique of Western medicine or advocacy for alternatives. It's a vision of healthcare that honors both innovation and tradition, that sees patients as whole beings rather than symptom clusters, that recognizes the practitioner patient relationship as medicine itself.

I tell Kathleen about my approach to difficult cases. "I like to treat really tough cases, stuff that I've never treated before. Even though sometimes I don't know how to treat in the beginning, it ends up on a good path." When things get really challenging, I pray for my patients while doing whatever I can think of to help them. That spiritual connection, that genuine care, is part of the medicine.

We both spend 30 minutes to an hour with each patient, really understanding and knowing them. This isn't inefficiency; it's essential to healing. As algorithms increasingly shape our reality and media plays on our vulnerabilities, the antidote might be surprisingly simple: practitioners who truly listen, who hold space for healing that can't be rushed or standardized.


Finding Our Way Forward

As our conversation draws to a close, I'm filled with gratitude for this unexpected connection. Kathleen and I, despite our different modalities and backgrounds, share something fundamental: a belief that healing is about more than fixing symptoms. It's about understanding the whole person, their story, their patterns, their potential for transformation.

The path we're on isn't about choosing between technology and tradition, between East and West, between science and mystery. It's about integration, about holding multiple truths simultaneously. My years in Beijing taught me that Chinese medicine and Western medicine can coexist beautifully when we stop seeing them as opposing forces and start seeing them as complementary perspectives.

After 17 years of practice, I've learned that every patient teaches me something new. Every challenging case that makes me go back to my books, every moment of uncertainty that leads to breakthrough, every prayer I offer for a patient's healing, all of it deepens my understanding of this profound medicine.

Silicon Valley might seem like an unlikely place for this ancient wisdom to flourish, yet perhaps it's exactly where it's needed most. In a world accelerating toward artificial intelligence and digital everything, we offer something essentially human: time, attention, genuine connection, and the wisdom to see illness not as enemy but as teacher.

"I just love it here," Kathleen shared her love for the city as we wrap up. "I've met so many cool people that come here, continue to come here. People don't always stay, but that's okay. It's just so great that you come, and who knows what's possible, right?"

This is the revolution we're part of: not the loud, disruptive kind that Silicon Valley is famous for, but the quiet, patient revolution of returning medicine to its roots while embracing whatever actually works. We're building bridges between worlds, creating spaces where ancient wisdom and modern innovation dance together, where healing happens not in isolation but in the sacred space between people who show up for each other with open hearts and curious minds.

The future of medicine isn't just in the next breakthrough drug or surgical technique. It's in practitioners who understand that true healing takes time, that every patient's journey is unique, that the connection between healer and patient is as important as any prescription. In this moment of breaking and remaking, we're not just treating illness. We're helping to birth a new way of being human, one patient, one story, one connection at a time.


Dr Deb

Puzzle Exchange: 2 Doctors Eating Ramen and Talk About Medicine


The most profound connections often happen when you least expect them. Sitting with Kathleen Scheible, a former semiconductor engineer turned homeopath, I recognize a kindred spirit in transformation. Our paths couldn't be more different, yet here we are, two practitioners who left conventional careers to pursue ancient healing arts in the heart of Silicon Valley.

"I came here during the dot com boom in the nineties," Kathleen shares, her voice carrying both nostalgia and purpose. "I worked with some of the smartest people I've ever known at Applied Materials, building tools that make computer chips." The parallel to today's AI revolution resonates deeply. Yet here she sits, having traded silicon wafers for homeopathic remedies, engineering precision for the subtle art of constitutional healing.



The Moment Everything Changes

Kathleen's transformation began with her children's health crises. Her son's recurring ear infections, followed by eczema and asthma, led her down a path of steroids and inhalers that seemed to make things worse. Then came the turning point: an osteopath's cranial sacral manipulation, followed by a single homeopathic remedy that changed everything within a month.

"I was amazed," she recalls. "We didn't need the cream anymore. We didn't need the inhaler." But it was her stepson's recovery from viral meningitis complications, six months of debilitating migraines resolved with homeopathic treatment, that sealed her decision. "I had to learn more about what this is."

I nod knowingly. My own journey took me to Beijing for six years of intensive training, five years for my bachelor's degree and another year for my PhD. In China, Western medicine and Chinese medicine are given equal weight in medical education. We studied both, understanding that true healing requires multiple perspectives. After 17 years of practice, I still feel like I'm learning, still discovering new depths to this ancient medicine.


Beyond Symptoms: The Architecture of Healing

What strikes me most about our conversation is how we both view illness through entirely different lenses than Western medicine. In my practice, emotions map onto organ systems with poetic precision: happiness relates to heart energy, sadness to the lungs, each emotion finding its home in the body's landscape. I read tongues and pulses like ancient texts, finding stories written in coating and rhythm.

Kathleen describes homeopathy's paradoxical principle: the more diluted a substance, the stronger its effect when properly matched to the person. "We're looking at all the ways a person's body tends to go out of balance over their lifetime," she explains. "Finding one remedy to match that imbalance state, to nudge the body back into balance."

We both laugh when I mention that I still don't fully understand everything after all these years. "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know," Kathleen agrees. It's humbling and exciting at the same time.


The Silicon Valley Paradox

There's something deeply San Francisco about this convergence of high tech backgrounds and ancient healing arts. Kathleen's engineering mind still surfaces when she discusses nanoparticles and electromagnetic forces in ultra high dilutions. Yet she's comfortable with mystery: "We don't yet understand the mechanism of action. It's just the observation that these remedies work according to these principles."

I share how Chinese medicine connects to astronomy, how ancient practitioners looked at the stars to understand seasons and their effects on our bodies. "Now with fall, we need to take care of our lung energy," I explain. "Eating pears, white wood ear mushrooms, anything white nourishes the lungs. In winter, we eat black foods like black dates to warm our kidney energy."

This comfort with paradox feels essential now. We're in this crucible of a time. Anything is possible on either side.


Trauma as Teacher

Both of us have gravitated toward treating trauma, particularly in the post pandemic world. Kathleen works with intergenerational trauma patterns, watching how grief lodges in lungs, how ancient fears about survival manifest in modern anxiety about money, even among successful startup founders.

"People are in different phases of being ready," Kathleen observes about trauma work. "Homeopathy can help get unstuck when the story keeps being the same."

In my practice, I see how internal medicine issues like insomnia connect directly to our emotions. Our body, mind, and emotions are all connected. Different emotions relate to different organ systems, and by understanding these patterns, we can address the root causes, not just symptoms.

Kathleen shares her work with first responders through the Integrative Healers Action Network, and I'm reminded of my own team at the hospital where I work three days a week. We're an integrated care team: OB/GYN doctors, nutritionists, physical therapists, a psychiatrist, and me. We gather in the mornings, sometimes chatting for an hour and a half before rounds, sharing not just medical information but understanding each patient's full story. Our customer service team even briefs us on incoming patients' emotional states and family dynamics.


The Breaking and Remaking

"Our Western system is breaking down right now," I say plainly. After five years since COVID, the cracks have become chasms. Children born during those years are particularly sensitive, having missed crucial years of exposure and social development. Yet within this breakdown, we see opportunity.

"With great challenges come great opportunity to build something new," Kathleen reflects. "I really do think something got so broken that we're in the rebuild now, and it's up to us to build up a new way."

We both envision integrative clinics where practitioners communicate across modalities, where healing happens in community rather than isolation. I share how in Chinese medicine, we believe there's a force that connects patient and practitioner. "People come to you for a reason," I tell her. "There's something helping in that connection."


The Future of Medicine Lives in Connection

What emerges from our conversation isn't just a critique of Western medicine or advocacy for alternatives. It's a vision of healthcare that honors both innovation and tradition, that sees patients as whole beings rather than symptom clusters, that recognizes the practitioner patient relationship as medicine itself.

I tell Kathleen about my approach to difficult cases. "I like to treat really tough cases, stuff that I've never treated before. Even though sometimes I don't know how to treat in the beginning, it ends up on a good path." When things get really challenging, I pray for my patients while doing whatever I can think of to help them. That spiritual connection, that genuine care, is part of the medicine.

We both spend 30 minutes to an hour with each patient, really understanding and knowing them. This isn't inefficiency; it's essential to healing. As algorithms increasingly shape our reality and media plays on our vulnerabilities, the antidote might be surprisingly simple: practitioners who truly listen, who hold space for healing that can't be rushed or standardized.


Finding Our Way Forward

As our conversation draws to a close, I'm filled with gratitude for this unexpected connection. Kathleen and I, despite our different modalities and backgrounds, share something fundamental: a belief that healing is about more than fixing symptoms. It's about understanding the whole person, their story, their patterns, their potential for transformation.

The path we're on isn't about choosing between technology and tradition, between East and West, between science and mystery. It's about integration, about holding multiple truths simultaneously. My years in Beijing taught me that Chinese medicine and Western medicine can coexist beautifully when we stop seeing them as opposing forces and start seeing them as complementary perspectives.

After 17 years of practice, I've learned that every patient teaches me something new. Every challenging case that makes me go back to my books, every moment of uncertainty that leads to breakthrough, every prayer I offer for a patient's healing, all of it deepens my understanding of this profound medicine.

Silicon Valley might seem like an unlikely place for this ancient wisdom to flourish, yet perhaps it's exactly where it's needed most. In a world accelerating toward artificial intelligence and digital everything, we offer something essentially human: time, attention, genuine connection, and the wisdom to see illness not as enemy but as teacher.

"I just love it here," Kathleen shared her love for the city as we wrap up. "I've met so many cool people that come here, continue to come here. People don't always stay, but that's okay. It's just so great that you come, and who knows what's possible, right?"

This is the revolution we're part of: not the loud, disruptive kind that Silicon Valley is famous for, but the quiet, patient revolution of returning medicine to its roots while embracing whatever actually works. We're building bridges between worlds, creating spaces where ancient wisdom and modern innovation dance together, where healing happens not in isolation but in the sacred space between people who show up for each other with open hearts and curious minds.

The future of medicine isn't just in the next breakthrough drug or surgical technique. It's in practitioners who understand that true healing takes time, that every patient's journey is unique, that the connection between healer and patient is as important as any prescription. In this moment of breaking and remaking, we're not just treating illness. We're helping to birth a new way of being human, one patient, one story, one connection at a time.


Dr Deb

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